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Alex

Following a point made on the sports satire site "The Sports Pickle," I think Marbury's point can and should be extended. An upper-class event like horse racing is extremely violent, both in terms of how the animals are treated during the event and in terms of how participation in the event elevates the possibility that the animal will be killed (e.g. a horse will be shot if it breaks its leg). Yet, the deaths and pain that this activity produces receive very little attention.

Athol Kay

Kill and eat a cat and you're a monster. Yet chicken is on sale for $1.29 a pound in the supermarket.

L

Horses are usually put down if a leg is broken because of the chances of founder/laminitis occurring. A half ton animal on three toes puts a lot of pressure on their remaining structures, you can't keep a horse in a sling or cooped up in a stall 24/7/365 without mental anguish, and no one wants to see a horse suffer through founder and possibly never be pain-free ever again. It's humane treatment, not a racing abuse. If we weren't racing baby horses (Derby horses have just turned 3, horses don't mature into skeletal adulthood until 5 or 6) and breeding for spindly conformation as opposed to the old "iron horse" style of racer, we probably wouldn't see many of the abuses and problems we do now. The backside of a racetrack is decidedly not upper-crust, and often not white.

I think the difference between killing a dog and killing a deer is quite clear. The deer are living in the wild until they are (hopefully) quickly dispatched for eating. The dogs are raised with humans and forced to maul each other in brutal and wholly unnatural ways. Most wild fights would end with the loser walking off to lick his wounds, fighting dogs are pressed into a tiny space and shoved together until the humans are done. You don't see wounds like that on street dogs. It's the added level of Coliseum barbarity that's the problem, completely against pack and social behavior that would be acceptable to either of our species. Which is more problematic to you: a boxer besting another boxer in the championship ring, or a man cornering another man and beating on him until his friends stop cheering, no matter how many times the cornered man is bested? I hope your veggie side hasn't addled your brains so badly you can't see the difference. Cesar Milan grew up where life is cheap too. Wonder what he found that Michael Vick didn't?

Terry Yan

Re:Supreme Court nominee, Sonia Sotomayor racism allegations!

Could Senator Patrick Leahy and others be a bigot, racist, and supremacist?

About Senator Leahy: JUNE 9, 1987 WALL STREET JOURNAL, section: JUSTICES DELAYED

Third paragraph reads: The American Bar Association twice has rated Judge Sentelle "Well qualified", but that did not prevent Vermont’s Senator Patrick Leahy from announcing that Judge Sentelle's membership in the Masons could disqualify him. According to Senator Leahy's information, Masons have to be "male, white and believe in a supreme being."

Notice; you have to be a man he said. Not even women, it rejects all women.
Has this ideology changed since then? Can Americans get the truth from Senator Patrick Leahy these days?

amr

I'm taking a sociology class right now and i'm studying social structure and roles. After reading your article, i think that people forget how mike vick grew up and what type of lifestyle he was exposed to. They don't look at him as a man who struggled to change his lifestyle after he made it in the nfl, they look at him as a star athlete and role model. When he was charged with dogfighting, it was a huge deal because the role and obligations that people expected from him were destroyed. If any other random man was caught dogfighting, no one would care. But because more was expected from mike vick, everyone cared.

Brian E.

I think the last part about killing deer versus killing dogs brings up a good point about the way people think about animals. For instance PETA was all over Vick about the dogs but what organizations are there for the deer? On the other hand some people look at deer as a source of food and dogs are like family members. But who says that dogs are more important than deer? The idea of deer as a source of food comes from ancient history and is not questioned. Dogs for the most part are seen as "mans best friend," but that is not true for everyone. Some people don't understand why a person can treat one animal better than another. Although Vick may have crossed the line with breeding and forcing the dogs to fight, i don't believe any animal should be seen as better or more important than another.

Amanda .S.

After reading your article I agree with you on how people probably do not look back on how Vick was raised and the violence he probably saw during his childhood. However I do believe what he did was wrong , I don't believe he should be taken away from the NFL forever like they said At the beinging when they first found out about what he was doing. I am a dog lover myself .However to me it is alot worse to be caught doing illegal drugs and drinking and driving which you hear about all the time , then getting caught with dog fighting. What Vick did was wrong but now that he has done his time I feel he should be allowed back into the NFL.

deadale

he has done his part, he deserves a chance and be back on nfl..

JAQUANDA CLEMENTS

I THINK THE WHOLE ISSUE ABOUT VICK IS STUPID. I PERSONALLY HATE ALL ANIMALS, AND COULD CARE LESS IF HE MAKES THEM FIGHT OR NOT. PETA NEEDS TO GET A LIFE AND STOP WORRYING ABOUT ANIMALS. LIKE OTHERS SAID WHAT ABOUT OTHER ANIMALS PEOPLE KILL? IF THAT IS THE CASE ALL HUNTERS SHOULD BE ARRESTED. THERE ARE TOO MANY STARVING PEOPLE, VICTIMS OF RAPE, ABUSE, AND OTHER STUFF, TO BE WORRIED ABOUT SOMEONE MAKING DOGS FIGHT. WILD ANIMALS FIGHT ALL THE TIME, IS PETA GOING TO GET BETWEEN TWO LIONS AND STOP THEM FROM KILLING EACH OTHER? IT IS THE CIRCLE OF LIFE, ANIMALS DIE. IT'S WAY MORE ANIMALS THAN HUMANS, PEOPLE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT ANIMALS TRYING TO KILL THEM, INSTEAD OF A DUMB DOG FIGHT.

Ryan Bowditch

This article forces the reader to recognize all the empathetic blind spots that often happens to those with a strong belief in something. I have once again been shown that dichotomous thinking is always dangerously lurking in the human psyche and if not recognized, one can easily miss the big picture

Before studying sociology I wouldn't have given much thought to whether dog fighting was right or wrong. Of course it is wrong because I have always loved dogs and thought of them as friends. How could anyone treat a dog with anything less than pure love? It is only when you realize that what is considered right and wrong in the treatment of animals is not always so black and white that your "beginners mind" starts to work.

Examining the treatment of pets from a historical timeline was also fascinating to me. I can only imagine that many cultures of the past would look at how we pamper are pets today as downright strange. It is also interesting to imagine how pets might be treated a hundred years from now. Will seeing a mother pushing a stroller of puppies be just as common of a sight as a mother and her human babies today? The ever changing culture of animal treatment in general would suggest that such a seemingly ridiculous sight might not be so ridiculous in 100 years.

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