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Sarah Kraynick

Funny, people laugh at me when I say I enjoy what I do, even though it is not my dream job, it does provide me with the flexibility to pursue my true passion, writing. I am also a sociologist by training, but decided I needed to travel the world and live in another country before I went back to school. My return to academia is inevitable, but for the moment I will focus on my writing and my "day" job in IT.
On to the questions you pose. Like you point out there are more factors involved when someone makes a career choice then just financial considerations. Too many fellow students in my uni were in a certain area of study because it would lead to a career. I was in school because I generally enjoyed my studies - I didn't quite care where it would lead me. I just liked the writing and research aspect. At any rate the looks I got when I said I loved school were met with amazement.
If people were encouraged to work in a field they loved I would guess we would have a happier workforce. I suppose the ideal would see work equal to a hobby or volunteer work. Not that I am advocating people working for free, but work in my mind should not feel like work at all. After all if we have to spend 40 or so hours a week a job, we should have the right to love what we do and get more out of it then just money. But because of financial reasons or pressures from family, friends, society - we are forced into professions/jobs we deplore for the most part.
There are two parts to the financial argument in my mind, first being the motivation to earn, but also lack of finances could land you in a job which you deplore, such as the born to be sociologist who has to work in a steal mill to help with the bills and can't afford school. So we need to relinquish not only the drive for money and power, but also the barriers which hinder people from pursuing their love, whether it is writing or solving computing problems - then perhaps as Maslow suggests we can self-actualize.
Besides the financial considerations involved we can also suggest a more fundamental problem, peer/societal pressure. Because if I understood the question right you are talking about personal financial motives. Just like my peers at university who laughed at the suggestion of me running off to Europe to write (I am the one laughing now) - their laugh was not solely financially motivated- there was the underlying norm of what one should do with ones life. There is that idea of a noble career. There is a hierarchy of careers, but the hierarchy depends on your background and where you grew up. For my extended family a noble career for a women was a nurse/teacher/wife, this idea was proven when my family praised my 22 year old cousin who just had her second child, while I was struggling to pay my tuition at 23. One path to live is not better than the next.
Though when we actually sit back and think about it for a money we begin to see we have very little choice in what we do. Even the drive for wealth is very rooted in the values of many societies around the world. Why we celebrate, for example, Bill Gates more than then other individuals is beyond me. Our motives for work are just the beginning of a very big pattern emerging in the world today. We have lost our values, our communities - before perhaps work was hard, but we worked for what we needed, now we work to participate in a consumerist society. One which will not let us pursue our passion for we must have the next new ipod and car. Anyways, nice blog,,, Sarah

Matt K

I find these lists interesting because they seem to indicate that certain qualities are inherently undesirable in a profession, end of story. For example, physical labour.

Also, I have to question the following:

"Like the other best jobs listed, sociologists’ thoughts and ideas are valued; many people in the best jobs work at universities, where we have a good deal of autonomy and respect."

Really? We don't have client confidentiality, like psychiatrists. Our work is either looked at as statistics or non-scientific anthropological excursions. I disagree that we are highly valued. Perhaps in the academy, but sociology's public front has been woefully lacking over the past century.

bhoconnor

Hi,

I'm intrigued by the work of sociologists, and so was immediately drawn to this post--could one of the authors possibly do a follow-up to talk a bit more about the work of sociologists? As one considering the field, I would love to hear more generally about the work of sociologists, but also specifically about some of the ways sociologists are asked to apply their expertise (e.g., in advising companies, policy, etc.). On a related note, it would be neat to know what percentage of sociologists are employed in academia versus other types of work.

Many thanks, this is such a welcome concept for a blog,

Brendan

Matt K

Hi Brendan,

I don't have any numbers on me, but here are some general impressions from someone who is about to finish his undergraduate degree and is going for a doctoral in the Fall.

A lot of people major in sociology -- those who stay on past the undergrad system are the ones who will usually stay in academia. Otherwise, you can probably get work in a think tank, survey company, possibly human resources, government, and so forth.

I don't want to poison the well, but sociologists haven't always have the best "street cred" in public policy. A lot of papers are only read by other academics -- it's a trap that's easy to fall into. As I noted earlier, we don't have the kind of confidentiality afforded to professionals like psychologists. That means if you're doing research on people who are breaking the law, you could be called upon in court to reveal their identities.

It's not all bad though. Sociology is a very interesting and extremely diverse discipline, which makes it much less rigid than social sciences like economics. The price of such diversity is that, unlike economists, we don't really have a "united front" and we aren't valued as advisors in the same way as other social scientists.

I hope I haven't dissuaded you from the job. Sociology is, as I said, a very broad field which allows the pursuit of innumerable interests -- but if you're looking for prestige or a policy role, it might be hard to achieve outside the academy.

Cheers,

Matt

Pablo

I love sociology but sometimes I fear a full time job as a sociologist doesn't really pay much. I live in southamerica and I know for a fact that there are other jobs in which I can make more money. Of course I feel kinda frustrated and hate to be outside the academia, but I think I will try to remain working outside the academia but the part of it through some independent publications and some part-time sociologist jobs I hope I can get.

Sincere regards. Sociology rocks.

Brendan O'Connor

Hey Matt,

Thanks for the word back, it's helpful to have thoughts from somebody who has some experience. I know i've got to take more time in the next few months, before considering applying places in the Fall, to seriously evaluate what i would like to do as an end game, and sort of work backwards from there to what i would need to know via a degree to do those things.

Thanks again for the thoughts back, and all the best as you (and Pablo and others here) look at what they may do with sociology!

Brendan

oscar

hey I'm currentley taking an online class on sociology and I find it very intresting. I think sociology is more of a "harder" science the psychology because it deals with a group of people.If people were encouraged to work in a field they loved I would guess we would have a happier workforce.

Diego

I think it is interesting that Sociology is ranked #8. I’ve worked with sociologists and for sociologists for the past two and a half years. I also hope to start my graduate studies in sociology this fall (I’m still waiting to see if I got into any of the programs I applied to). I wanted to get someone’s opinion regarding some of the issues I’ve observed for the past couple of years here at work.

1. Academic Sociologists Vs. Practicing Sociologists. Why is it that practicing sociologists are seen by most academics as "lesser" sociologists? It's almost like choosing a career in practicing/public sociology ends up being one's professional suicide, at least when it comes to how other sociologists perceive you.

2. Similarly, what is up with everyone having to publish? Whatever happened to teaching? I come from a liberal arts schools where funding for research is limited (or nonexistent). I’ve had some of the best teachers one could ever ask for, however, they will never get any recognition from their so called “peers” because they haven’t published enough. And on top of that, the peer review/publishing process is one of the most bureaucratic and exclusive processes I’ve seen in my life. If you do not know the right people, and if you’re not writing about the right subjects, you will never get published. I imagine the same kind of bureaucracy exists when applying to grants, applying for jobs, and even applying to graduate programs. Since my areas of interests are not necessarily the most popular right now, I fear that my career will suffer negatively because of this.

3. Finally, American Sociologists vs. “Rest of the world” sociologists. A similar thing happens to people who chose to study outside the US (with a few exceptions, like Canada, some schools in the UK and very few schools in other parts of the world). If sociology is to be considered a science by the rest of the scientific community, then shouldn’t we work towards a more “global” discipline? Of course there’s a few exception to this ridiculous dynamic, but it’s usually for senior sociologists (i.e. Manuel Castells, originally from Spain).

I could keep going. Like I said, my job has given my some interesting insights into the world of sociology. You can look at the methodology for the ranking here: http://www.careercast.com/jobs/content/JobsRated_10BestJobs
Please note that one of several reasons sociologist rank high is that they "seldom face deadlines". Now is that really true??

Amanda

I very much agree with this post. I think people need to find the right job for them, the one that will make them happy and one that they actually enjoy doing. If you end up in a career that you can't stand, of course you are going to hate your job and be miserable. To be really successful in life I believe you need to do what truly makes you happy. When deciding in a career look at all aspects of the job not only the salary. Choose a job that will make you happy, even if it isn't the highest paying job. Parents are always telling their children to go out and get a well paying job, and that leads many people to get a job that they don't really enjoy. For example my parents are always telling me to get a successful and well paying job, however the job that I really want to do probably isn't the best paying job, but it would make me happy if I fulfill my dream. I think people need to go out and do what they want and they will be successful in different ways.

George

Thank you for an informative and instructional article. On the other hand I came across an outrageous article mocking and attacking sociologists and social workers at: http://www.helium.com/items/1610566-why-prison-inmate-rehabilitation-is-not-succeeding

This person should be condemned in the strongest terms!

Abeer

Thanks, being a sociolgist interesting, however its hard to become a good and respectful sociolgist. For example a proffesor at University or College sounds good, but the chance for becomming a proffessor is 10%.


Rachelle

This was an informative, interesting and reassuring read. The comments are interesting, as well.

I am currently an undergraduate honours sociology student in Canada. I am on the path to becoming a sociologist and perhaps even a university professor. Although, I struggle between the seemingly dichotomous worlds of applied vs. "armchair" or academic sociology.

Sociologists are often not in the limelight and many people reside in the dark regarding sociology's application in terms of careers, et cetera. Sociology is relevant and important. Why are sociologists not valued more? How do sociologists become more involved in significant public discussions?

Thank you for this post. I look forward to exploring this site more!

Rachelle

Cyannna

im an aspiring sociologist, so thank you so much for telling about your knowledge and insight. its refreshing to hear an insiders view.

sincerely yours,
CM

Shrabani Debroy

That was great to read! I am 19 years old, from Montreal, and I love to learn about human behavior ! I used to be afraid of getting into sociology by fear to not get a job (and also because people underestimated this subject by telling me that it is useless), but now I clearly want to become a sociologist! The society is so fascinating, yet so complex. Every human being belongs to several groups, and each group can unconsciously affect the behaviour of one. By understanding patterns within society, we can improve and change so much! I will apply in McGill and do Sociology as a major!

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